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exjordanary: "Level Up" to get MY MONEY?!? - This isn't a VIDEO GAME!!!

Upvotes by No One

Even once you increase your levels, then you're STILL limited on the AMOUNT of times you do a transfer PER month.

For those of us who are "resellers" or "outsourcers", we need to be able to transfer funds PER ORDER so that we can hire out the work to be done for our Customers here on SEOClerks.

Because of this, I had to take down my most popular Gig from this site. I was getting multiple orders per day and making more & more each day. Now I make NOTHING.

And when I make NOTHING. Then SEOCLERKS makes NOTHING too!!! (except for all the money they are sitting on of mine). It's too bad. Yet ANOTHER site that is shooting themselves in the foot by holding people's funds (just like ebay & paypal)

MY MONEY IS MINE!!! I LIVE BECAUSE OF IT. I AM A HUMAN BEING!! MY LIFE IS REAL. IT IS NOT A FRIGGIN' VIDEO GAME!! I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO "Level Up" TO GET MY MONEY!!

I ALREADY WAITED FOR IT TO CLEAR!! NOW IT'S CLEAR, AND SUDDENLY THIS NEW RULE APPEARS TELLING ME I'VE REACHED THE "MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TRANSFERS PER 31 DAYS, LEVEL UP TO LIFT THIS LIMIT".

Who the hell do they think my name is??? ZELDA???

Screw this place. I'm done with it.
July 1, 2012, 4:23 am

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Upvotes by jordan, karoshio, SEOLee

Maybe you need to actually see it from our point of view and not just your own.

We have to deal with a truck load of PayPal disputes on a daily basis and that's just the beginning and this helps stop that.

On the user side of things, for someone selling any kind of amount of gigs then Leveling up takes no time. If you level up you're gaining trust and that is why you can withdraw more often, it's nothing to do with holding your money or not wanting you to have it, it's about protecting both ourselves and SEOClerks as a whole.

We understand some people may not like it but as just mentioned it really doesn't take long to get past Level 1.

I should also note that the limit was changed and it's actually 4 per month and a minimum of $15.

July 1, 2012, 2:18 pm

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Upvotes by No One

Actually I MOSTLY see it from your point of view. Which is why I'm mentioning it. I am also a website owner and online seller in several areas of the market.
Have you ever thought about the reason WHY you're getting truck loads of Paypal disputes??
A : Either you have people that are pissed off about their funds being held...
OR
B : Buyers are abusing their positions as buyers through Paypal because they know that Paypal sides with the buyer 99% of the time. This so called "Buyer Abuse" is the EXACT thing I didn't want to see happening here at SEOClerks. That's all.

Because most of the people who committing "Buyer Abuse" are actually SELLERS who are pissed off at Paypal (or SEOClerks) for holding their funds, or Limiting their accounts. So they are doing the same thing that happened to them, right back at ya.

It's called "Full Circle" - I am NOT complaining, and I understand you guys need to protect yourself (which is why if I were you, the first thing I'd do is offer an alternative to Paypal such as Payza [used to be AlertPay]. I just didn't want to see the same thing happen here, that's all.

But quick question for you : Why limit the amount of times a Seller can Transfer funds to their Paypal account per month anyways? Does this cost you guys any extra time, money, or resources whatsoever??

Please help me understand that one. Thank you for your time.

July 1, 2012, 4:17 pm

Upvotes by No One

To answer your questions.

1) We do allow an alternative payment method of Paypal, Western Union. Soon we will allow Payza as well. We already allow users to buy using Payza.

2) We found scammers where doing multiple withdrawals to multiple accounts many times per month. These scammers were using fraudulent methods to purchase their own gigs and cash out and we are still combating them. Limiting the amount of withdrawals and adding a minimum amount helps combat this type of scammer. As a result of the few bad, all must suffer. Leveling up is a way to build trust with us and with the buyers.

Also, you have several false statements in your post above.
1) Paypal sides with the buyer 99% of the time
- Digital Services are not covered by Paypal Buyer Protection.

2) Either you have people that are pissed off about their funds being held
- We added the restrictions because people were scamming, not the other way around.

3) Because most of the people who committing "Buyer Abuse" are actually SELLERS who are pissed off at Paypal (or SEOClerks) for holding their funds, or Limiting their accounts
- Same as above, the people committed buyer abuse first.

July 3, 2012, 5:52 am

Upvotes by No One

1a) I meant an alternative "Electronic" Form of Payment. Yes I know you allow wester union, but after the $15 that Western Union charges per transfer, plus the 20% that you guys take, is not the most attractive thing.

2a)None of that makes sense. Why would people purchase their own Gigs on multiple accounts, just to get 20% taken from them? What are they gaining?? What are you losing? I'm not trying to be combative, just trying to make sense of this. What did they use as the "fraudulent method" of payment? Paypal? If so, I thought you said Paypal didn't protect buyers for Digital Services so how did they do this?

1)Actually, it's "Digital DOWNLOADS" that aren't covered by Paypal's Buyer Protection. The buyer can file a dispute and say the payment was for anything they want. They can lie and say it was for an physical item, and they'll get their money back.

2)Chicken or the egg - there's no way to really know that for sure

3) "The people committed buyer abuse first" - Wait, I thought you said that Paypal doesn't Protect the Buyer for "Digital Services" - So how were they committing Buyer Abuse??

Thank you 4 your answers.

July 3, 2012, 1:50 pm

Upvotes by exjordanary

SEOClerks has fixed the problem with their LEVELS. Sorry for all the drama people. They have turned out to be one of the best.

The above Comments were made before and during some major changes SEOClerks was making to the Payment/Level System - ALL of which have now been handled (quite well) - THANK YOU!!!

I wish I could delete "all of the above", but I can't so I will just have to live with myself and make up for it by doing my best and knowing when to SHUT THE HELL UP!!

Thanks to all who commented above. You guys were right. I was being an idiot.

-Ex

August 24, 2012, 5:25 am

Upvotes by exjordanary

August 24, 2012, 5:26 am

Upvotes by jordan

Why such a drama again? Rules are simple, why do you have to start up your drama twice and say goodbye twice? It's not a social organization, it's a business organization which encourages you to level up, it's a basic economy approach, which is taught in high school.

Can you imagine marketplace without levels, instantly cleared money and instantly available to withdraw? This place would be crowded up with spammers and scum bags. Rules aren't made to screw with you, they are made to protect the buyers.

July 1, 2012, 4:58 am

Upvotes by No One

Ok, please show me where I spoke of a place with NO RULES and INSTANT WITHDRAWS??? No need to go the opposite extreme.

SOME rules are needed, but these are not. This site will actually start losing people real quick if it continues.

There are MANY businesses that are successfully thriving that do not have these very "Un-needed" Rules.

There's a difference between "encouraging" people to "Level up", and holding their money hostage (aka : Blackmailing, stealing).

Look what happened to eBay when they started Restricting Accounts, and "Pending Funds" in order to create a so called "Safer Marketplace".

Now you've got people with false ID's, multiple Stealth Accounts, Buyer Abuse, - There's no way to know who's who on ebay anymore. So in their attempt to create a safer marketplace (actual reason : GREED) - They've done the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

You'll see. Just let time happen.

July 1, 2012, 5:25 am

Upvotes by mqss

Or maybe you should stop smoking the poppy seeds!

July 1, 2012, 7:33 am

Upvotes by No One

Get educated bro. Smoking Poppy Seeds?? Are you serious? Do some research. Come back when you know what you're talking about. Educate before you hate.

July 1, 2012, 4:01 pm

Upvotes by No One

I'm talking about smoking opium (poppy seeds)! which used to be a very common occurance. Remind me not to buy anything from your garden centre i'll ask for a rose bush and end up with a garden gnome!

July 3, 2012, 9:42 pm

Upvotes by No One

Hello, I want to, my current minimum withdrawal is $15. If I make 15$ and do the cashout, then will my next minimum cashout increase even more?

July 3, 2012, 4:06 am

exjordanary: "Level Up" to get MY MONEY?!? - This isn't a VIDEO GAME!!!

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